Power utilization not calculated over cascaded devices/PDU #2765

@roblarose commented on GitHub (Oct 3, 2019):

Agreed. In a "server room" (versus a large datacenter?) we often see multiple PDUs on a single UPS (backed by a single circuit/feed), so at least 3 hops for most equipment.

Feed -> UPS -> PDU -> Device

@roblarose commented on GitHub (Oct 3, 2019): Agreed. In a "server room" (versus a large datacenter?) we often see multiple PDUs on a single UPS (backed by a single circuit/feed), so at least 3 hops for most equipment. Feed -> UPS -> PDU -> Device

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@jeremystretch commented on GitHub (Oct 17, 2019):

Issues like this illustrate why participation in beta releases is so important. Modifying the current approach to support recursive calculations efficiently would require a substantial amount of work. Do we have any volunteers?

@jeremystretch commented on GitHub (Oct 17, 2019): Issues like this illustrate why participation in beta releases is so important. Modifying the current approach to support recursive calculations efficiently would require a substantial amount of work. Do we have any volunteers?

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@larsuhartmann commented on GitHub (Oct 19, 2019):

We could switch our Netbox instance to a beta branch to test it out - no problem!

@larsuhartmann commented on GitHub (Oct 19, 2019): We could switch our Netbox instance to a beta branch to test it out - no problem!

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@jeremystretch commented on GitHub (Oct 21, 2019):

@larsuhartmann not beta testing, actually committing to doing the work.

@jeremystretch commented on GitHub (Oct 21, 2019): @larsuhartmann not beta testing, actually committing to doing the work.

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@andrewcleveland commented on GitHub (Nov 25, 2019):

@jeremystretch Is a recursive SQL query the right way to go about this?
nested_power_draw_legs.patch.txt
Just a proof of concept (individual legs only).

@andrewcleveland commented on GitHub (Nov 25, 2019): @jeremystretch Is a recursive SQL query the right way to go about this? [nested_power_draw_legs.patch.txt](https://github.com/netbox-community/netbox/files/3884733/nested_power_draw_legs.patch.txt) Just a proof of concept (individual legs only).

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@chas0rde commented on GitHub (Dec 10, 2019):

This definetly is also an issue for us. Sadly we do not have internal coding-capabilities we could supply but we would be happy if anyone could support this think

@chas0rde commented on GitHub (Dec 10, 2019): This definetly is also an issue for us. Sadly we do not have internal coding-capabilities we could supply but we would be happy if anyone could support this think

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@hSaria commented on GitHub (Dec 16, 2019):

Using a recursive query in the database seems like the best approach; as far as I can tell, performing the recursion outside of it would entail O(n) as opposed to O(1) in it.

The work that @andrewcleveland has done looks good, but NetBox is currently prone to loops with that query because the current power model allows for loops, be it direct (power port connected back to a power outlet on the same device) or indirect (looped over multiple devices).

It might be worth addressing the power loop first as it could very well fix this issue in the process. I'm not sure how a recursive model (or multiple) can be handled by Django as most solutions out there are handled at the database.

@hSaria commented on GitHub (Dec 16, 2019): Using a recursive query in the database seems like the best approach; as far as I can tell, performing the recursion outside of it would entail O(n) as opposed to O(1) in it. The work that @andrewcleveland has done looks good, but NetBox is currently prone to loops with that query because the current power model allows for loops, be it direct (power port connected back to a power outlet on the same device) or indirect (looped over multiple devices). It might be worth addressing the power loop first as it could very well fix this issue in the process. I'm not sure how a recursive model (or multiple) can be handled by Django as most [solutions](https://haughtcodeworks.com/blog/software-development/recursive-sql-queries-using-ctes/) out there are handled at the database.

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@phurrelmann commented on GitHub (Dec 30, 2019):

@jeremystretch could you please check if the proposed solution (see @andrewcleveland and #3782) is accetable? I'd really like to have this fixed. We have several cascaded PDUs in our racks and thus currently can't montor the power usage.

@phurrelmann commented on GitHub (Dec 30, 2019): @jeremystretch could you please check if the proposed solution (see @andrewcleveland and #3782) is accetable? I'd really like to have this fixed. We have several cascaded PDUs in our racks and thus currently can't montor the power usage.

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2025-12-29 18:21:54 +01:00

@hSaria commented on GitHub (Jan 12, 2020):

I'll take care of creating the PR for this. I was initially wanting to prevent power loops, but I'm more than fine with keeping them (see #3782 for more info).

Instead, I'll limit the recursive query to a number of iterations (maybe 16) and use UNION instead of UNION ALL (former doesn't include duplicates). If there is a loop, it'll cause the query to hit the iteration limit, but will still return valid and non-inflated/non-duplicate results.

No preference on the number, but I figure it's unreal for someone to chain 16 power sources

I'll make sure to put enough tests to detect any regression in this as it involves a raw query.

@hSaria commented on GitHub (Jan 12, 2020): I'll take care of creating the PR for this. I was initially wanting to prevent power loops, but I'm more than fine with keeping them (see #3782 for more info). Instead, I'll limit the recursive query to a number of iterations (maybe 16) and use `UNION` instead of `UNION ALL` (former doesn't include duplicates). If there is a loop, it'll cause the query to hit the iteration limit, but will still return valid and non-inflated/non-duplicate results. > No preference on the number, but I figure it's unreal for someone to chain 16 power sources I'll make sure to put enough tests to detect any regression in this as it involves a raw query.

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@roblarose commented on GitHub (Jan 13, 2020):

My hero!

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I'll take care of creating the PR for this. I was initially wanting to
prevent power loops, but I'm more than fine with keeping them (see #3782
https://github.com/netbox-community/netbox/issues/3782 for more info).

Instead, I'll limit the recursive query to a number of iterations (maybe
16) and use UNION instead of UNION ALL (former doesn't include
duplicates). If there is a loop, it'll cause the query to hit the iteration
limit, but will still return valid and non-inflated/non-duplicate results.

I'll make sure to put enough tests to detect any regression in this as it
involves a raw query.

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@hSaria commented on GitHub (Jan 14, 2020):

@andrewcleveland Thanks a lot for your query; I modified it to remove looped entries, but apart from that, it pretty much worked from the get go.

Just need to add tests for this and then I'll fire up a PR.

@hSaria commented on GitHub (Jan 14, 2020): @andrewcleveland Thanks a lot for your query; I modified it to remove looped entries, but apart from that, it pretty much worked from the get go. Just need to add tests for this and then I'll fire up a PR.

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@phurrelmann commented on GitHub (Jan 14, 2020):

@hSaria, thank you. I'm eager to test this :)

@phurrelmann commented on GitHub (Jan 14, 2020): @hSaria, thank you. I'm eager to test this :)

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@roblarose commented on GitHub (Jan 14, 2020):

Me too!

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@Blackraz0r commented on GitHub (Jan 21, 2020):

Can someone help me with this?
my calculation also dows not work.

Is created a panel wich goes into a feed wich goes into a device called "UPS" wich goes into a device called "PDU" wich goes to other devices.

example:
Panel->Feed->(PowerPort of UPS - Power Outlet of UPS) ->
(PowerPort of PDU - Power Outlet of PDU) -> Switch

the allocated draw of the switch is not in the utilization of the pdu. and also not further down the chain.

fells like the power of the outlets are not calculated into the ultilization

can someone eli5 me how to do power in netbox? Have the strange feeling i am missing something here. since english is not my main language i also dont really understand what allocated and maximum draw means. the manual is kinda limited on this.
Like allocated on the pdu is the power the pdu itself neets for running its software (metered with webinterface) and the like ?

@Blackraz0r commented on GitHub (Jan 21, 2020): Can someone help me with this? my calculation also dows not work. Is created a panel wich goes into a feed wich goes into a device called "UPS" wich goes into a device called "PDU" wich goes to other devices. example: Panel->Feed->(PowerPort of UPS - Power Outlet of UPS) -> (PowerPort of PDU - Power Outlet of PDU) -> Switch the allocated draw of the switch is not in the utilization of the pdu. and also not further down the chain. fells like the power of the outlets are not calculated into the ultilization can someone eli5 me how to do power in netbox? Have the strange feeling i am missing something here. since english is not my main language i also dont really understand what allocated and maximum draw means. the manual is kinda limited on this. Like allocated on the pdu is the power the pdu itself neets for running its software (metered with webinterface) and the like ?

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@roblarose commented on GitHub (Feb 4, 2020):

Looks like jeremystretch already intercepted this but yeah please don't let this go stale/wontfix. I'm eagerly awaiting!

@roblarose commented on GitHub (Feb 4, 2020): Looks like jeremystretch already intercepted this but yeah please don't let this go stale/wontfix. I'm eagerly awaiting!

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@phurrelmann commented on GitHub (Feb 4, 2020):

thank you Jeremy for accepting this one. I'm just spinning up a new vm to test this, as I could not do it yet in our testing-environment

@phurrelmann commented on GitHub (Feb 4, 2020): thank you Jeremy for accepting this one. I'm just spinning up a new vm to test this, as I could not do it yet in our testing-environment

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@phurrelmann commented on GitHub (Feb 4, 2020):

I just tested this in a new test setup and it is working great. Cascaded PDU get correctly summed and it now possible to handle the use cases described in this ticket. Thank you very much for your PR @hSaria and @jeremystretch for your tremendous work on this project and the patience with us users.

@phurrelmann commented on GitHub (Feb 4, 2020): I just tested this in a new test setup and it is working great. Cascaded PDU get correctly summed and it now possible to handle the use cases described in this ticket. Thank you very much for your PR @hSaria and @jeremystretch for your tremendous work on this project and the patience with us users.

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@roblarose commented on GitHub (Feb 4, 2020):

Is this feature included in the recent 2.7.4 release? Or still outside the releases?

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@roblarose commented on GitHub (Feb 4, 2020): Is this feature included in the recent 2.7.4 release? Or still outside the releases? --Rob -- Rob LaRose engineer | rock paper scissors 245 5th ave 23rd floor new york ny 10016 | O 212 255 6446 > On Feb 4, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Patrick Hurrelmann <notifications@github.com> wrote: > > > I just tested this in a new test setup and it is working great. Cascaded PDU get correctly summed and it now possible to handle the use cases described in this ticket. Thank you very much for your PR @hSaria and @jeremystretch for your tremendous work on this project and the patience with us users. > > — > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe.

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@jeremystretch commented on GitHub (Feb 5, 2020):

@roblarose No, it hasn't been implemented yet. I believe @phurrelmann means that he tried out the pull request submitted by @hSaria above.

@jeremystretch commented on GitHub (Feb 5, 2020): @roblarose No, it hasn't been implemented yet. I believe @phurrelmann means that he tried out the pull request submitted by @hSaria above.

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@roblarose commented on GitHub (Feb 5, 2020):

Roger that. Thank you. :-)

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https://github.com/hSaria above.

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@roblarose commented on GitHub (Feb 5, 2020): Roger that. Thank you. :-) --Rob *--* *Rob LaRose* *engineer | rock paper scissors <https://rockpaperscissors.com/> 245 5th ave 23rd floor new york ny 10016 | O 212 255 6446* On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 6:10 PM Jeremy Stretch <notifications@github.com> wrote: > @roblarose <https://github.com/roblarose> No, it hasn't been implemented > yet. I believe @phurrelmann <https://github.com/phurrelmann> means that > he tried out the pull request submitted by @hSaria > <https://github.com/hSaria> above. > > — > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <https://github.com/netbox-community/netbox/issues/3377?email_source=notifications&email_token=AFSTFEYLSLYQ4OCLGYTRJJDRBHYWVA5CNFSM4IIAORB2YY3PNVWWK3TUL52HS4DFVREXG43VMVBW63LNMVXHJKTDN5WW2ZLOORPWSZGOEKZRDIY#issuecomment-582160803>, > or unsubscribe > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AFSTFE6UEKP2T3H32D5RYBTRBHYWVANCNFSM4IIAORBQ> > . >

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@RHuehne commented on GitHub (Jul 6, 2020):

is this topic still being focused by the developers or won't this be fixed?
Thank you.

@RHuehne commented on GitHub (Jul 6, 2020): is this topic still being focused by the developers or won't this be fixed? Thank you.

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@MarcHagen commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020):

Please do not close this. still needing this function

@MarcHagen commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020): Please do not close this. still needing this function

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@larsuhartmann commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020):

Same here! It would be really nice to have this!

@larsuhartmann commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020): Same here! It would be really nice to have this!

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@jeremystretch commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020):

This has been tagged "needs owner" for several months. If no one is interested in committing to the work, it will be closed. @MarcHagen @larsuhartmann are either of you volunteering to own the implementation?

@jeremystretch commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020): This has been tagged "needs owner" for several months. If no one is interested in committing to the work, it will be closed. @MarcHagen @larsuhartmann are either of you volunteering to own the implementation?

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@hSaria commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020):

Hey Jeremy,

I think the issue here is that we don’t have an acceptable solution without changing the existing behavior in power modelling. As you and I discussed in previous PRs, raw SQL is difficult to maintain and calculating a topology tree and storing it as a field in the model is somewhat complex.

Because loops are currently permitted in power modelling, we can’t use MPTT. Otherwise, that’s one solution that might work. If you got something in mind, I can try to help where I can.

Regards,
Saria

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@hSaria commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020): Hey Jeremy, I think the issue here is that we don’t have an acceptable solution without changing the existing behavior in power modelling. As you and I discussed in previous PRs, raw SQL is difficult to maintain and calculating a topology tree and storing it as a field in the model is somewhat complex. Because loops are currently permitted in power modelling, we can’t use MPTT. Otherwise, that’s one solution that might work. If you got something in mind, I can try to help where I can. Regards, Saria > On 29 Sep 2020, at 4:00 pm, Jeremy Stretch <notifications@github.com> wrote: > > This has been tagged "needs owner" for several months. If no one is interested in committing to the work, it will be closed. @MarcHagen @larsuhartmann are either of you volunteering to own the implementation? > > — > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe.

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@MarcHagen commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020):

i would love to help with this, but my Python skills are just not up to the task, and this is a big "task/issue/feature". So sorry :(

@MarcHagen commented on GitHub (Sep 29, 2020): i would love to help with this, but my Python skills are just not up to the task, and this is a big "task/issue/feature". So sorry :(

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@larsuhartmann commented on GitHub (Oct 8, 2020):

Is there any way to "sponsor" someone to implement this feature?
We have the same situation at work: it would be nice to have this feature but none of us have the skills to implement it :-\

@larsuhartmann commented on GitHub (Oct 8, 2020): Is there any way to "sponsor" someone to implement this feature? We have the same situation at work: it would be nice to have this feature but none of us have the skills to implement it :-\

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